Analyse des listes Russes

[Bubu]

Très bonne nation etc, pour autant personne n'aurait parié sur une victoire de la Russie.

 

Peut être à cause de la plupart des listes qui pouvaient prêter à rire de prime abord?

 

Pour rappel :

 

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+ TEAM: Russia
+ PLAYER 1 [captain]: Alexander "LazioForza" Kondakov
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: 1561, Alexander Kondakov
+ ARMY FACTION: Chaos
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 7
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000 pts
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Chaos Daemons, Heretic Astartes
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: 443 points
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== Battalion Detachment == Chaos Daemons [874 points] + 3 CP
HQ 1: The Changeling (100), Boon of Change [100 pts] - WARLORD (Inspiring Leader)
HQ 2: Herald of Tzeentch (78), Staff of Change (5), Bolt of Change, Treason of Tzeentch [83 pts] 
HQ 3: Herald of Tzeentch (78), Staff of Change (5), Bolt of Change, Treason of Tzeentch [83 pts] 

Elite 1: Exalted Flamer [70 pts] 
Elite 2: Exalted Flamer [70 pts] 
Elite 3: Exalted Flamer [70 pts] 
Elite 4: Exalted Flamer [70 pts] 
Elite 5: Exalted Flamer [70 pts] 

Troop 1: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 
Troop 2: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 
Troop 3: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 
Troop 4: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 
Troop 5: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 
Troop 6: 19 Pairs of Brimstone Horrors (38), Blue Horror (5) [43 pts] 

== Supreme Command Detachment == Chaos [491 points] + 1 CP
HQ 4: Sorcerer with Jump Pack (114), Force Axe (16), Combi-Bolter (2), Infernal Gaze, Warptime <no Mark> - [132 pts] 
HQ 5: Malignant Plaguecaster (110), Gift of Contagion, Plague Wind [110 pts]
HQ 6: Herald of Tzeentch (78), Staff of Change (5), Bolt of Change, Treason of Tzeentch [83 pts] 
HQ 7: Herald of Tzeentch (78), Staff of Change (5), Bolt of Change, Treason of Tzeentch [83 pts] 
HQ 8: Herald of Tzeentch (78), Staff of Change (5), Bolt of Change, Treason of Tzeentch [83 pts] 

== Fortification Network == [192 points] + 0 CP
Fortification 1: Chaos Bastion (160), 4 Heavy Bolters (32) [192 pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 443
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : Chaos Daemons
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+ TEAM: RUSSIA
+ PLAYER 2: IGOR 'USTAS' SOKOLOV
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Igor Sokolov, 1555
+ ARMY FACTION: Imperium
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 7
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000 pts
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Space Marines, Sisters of Silence
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Super-Heavy Auxilary Detachment == Space Marines – Ultramarines chapter [360 Points] + 0 CP

LOW1: Roboute Guilliman [360Pts] - WARLORD (Tenasious Survivor) +3 CP

== Vanguard Detachment == Space Marines – Ultramarines, Sisters of Silence [1640 Points] +1 CP

HQ1: Sergeant Chronus mounted on HS1 [58 pts]

Troop1: 10 man Scout Squad (110), 10 Sniper Riffles (40) <Ultramarines> [150 pts]
Troop2: 10 man Scout Squad (110), 10 Sniper Riffles (40) <Ultramarines> [150 pts]
Troop3: 7 man Scout Squad (77), 7 Sniper Riffles (28) <Ultramarines> [105 pts]

Elite1: 9 Prosecutors [108 pts]
Elite2: 8 Prosecutors [96 pts]
Elite3: 8 Prosecutors [96 pts]

FA1: 6 man Scout Bike Squad (150), 6 Twin Boltguns (12), Sergeant with Stormbolter (2) <Ultramarines> [164 pts]

HS1: Land Raider (239), Twin Heavy Bolter (17), 2 Twin Lascannons (100) <Ultramarines> - [356 pts]
HS2: 3 man Centurion Devastator Squad (195), 3 Hurricane bolters (12), 6 Lascannons (150) <Ultramarines> [357 pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: RUSSIA
+ PLAYER 3: Sergey "Starrok" Stazhilo-Alekseev
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: 1889, Sergey Stazhilo-Alekseev
+ ARMY FACTION: Aeldari
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 6
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1998 pts
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Eldar Craftworld, Ynnari
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Vanguard Detachment == Asuryani, Ynnari, <Ulthwé> [1115 points] + 1 CP

HQ1: Autarch Skyrunner (94), Twin Shuriken Catapult (10), Laser Lance (9), Fusion Gun (17), Forceshield (8), Banshee Mask (0) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [138 pts] - Warlord (Legendary Fighter)

Elite 1: 5 Howling Banshees (60), 4 Power Swords (16), Executioner (16) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [92 pts]
Elite 1 DT: Wave Serpent (107), Twin Shuriken Cannon (24), Shuriken Cannon (12), Vectored Engines (10), Spirit Stones (10) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> -[163 pts]
Elite 2: 5 Howling Banshees (60), 4 Power Swords (16), Executioner (16) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [92 pts]
Elite 2 DT: Wave Serpent (107), Twin Shuriken Cannon (24), Shuriken Cannon (12), Vectored Engines (10), Spirit Stones (10) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari>- [163 pts]
Elite 3: 5 Howling Banshees (60), 4 Power Swords (16), Executioner (16) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [92 pts]
Elite 3 DT: Wave Serpent (107), Twin Shuriken Cannon (24), Shuriken Cannon (12), Vectored Engines (10), Spirit Stones (10) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [163 pts]
Elite 4: 5 Howling Banshees (60), 4 Power Swords (16), Executioner (16) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [92 pts]
Elite 5: 5 Fire Dragons (35), 5 Fusion Guns (85) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [120 pts]

== Supreme Command Detachment == Asuryani, Ynnari, <Ulthwé> (296 points) + 1 CP

HQ1: Warlock (30), Witchblade (7), Enchance/Drain <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [37 pts]
HQ2: Jain Zar <Ynnari> - [146 pts]
HQ3: Farseer (106), Witchblade (7), Guide, Doom <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [113 pts]

== Air Wing Detachment == Asuryani, Ynnari, <Ulthwé> (587 points) + 1 CP

Flyer1: Crimson Hunter (143), 2 Bright Lances (40) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [183 pts]
Flyer2: Crimson Hunter (143), 2 Bright Lances (40) <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [183 pts]
Flyer3: Hemlock Wraithfighter (211), Spirit Stones (10), Conceal/Reveal <Ulthwé> <Ynnari> - [221 pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: Russia
+ PLAYER 4: Yuriy "Grave4u" Velichkovskiy
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Yuriy Velichkovskiy, 1563
+ ARMY FACTION: Imperium 
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 4
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1999 pts
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Grey Knights
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Patrol Detachment == Grey Knights [1177 Points] + 0 CP

HQ1: Lord Kaldor Draigo, Purge Soul, Gate of Infinity - [240pts] – WARLORD (Tenacious Survivor)
Troop1 : 5 man Strike Squad (95), 5x Storm Bolter (10), 5x Two Nemesis Falchions (0), Hammerhand - [105pts]
Troop2 : 5 man Strike Squad (95), 5x Storm Bolter (10), 5x Two Nemesis Falchions (0), Gate of Infinity - [105pts]
Troop3 : 5 man Strike Squad (95), 5x Storm Bolter (10), 5x Two Nemesis Falchions (0), Gate of Infinity - [105pts]
Flyer1: Stormraven Gunship (172), Twin Assault Cannon (35), Twin Multi-Melta (54), 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher (42), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) <Grey Knights> - [311pts] 
Flyer2: Stormraven Gunship (172), Twin Assault Cannon (35), Twin Multi-Melta (54), 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher (42), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) <Grey Knights> - [311pts]

== Air Wing Detachment == Grey Knights [822 Points] +1 CP

Flyer3: Stormraven Gunship (172), Twin Assault Cannon (35), Twin Heavy Bolter (17), 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher (42), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) <Grey Knights> - [274pts]
Flyer4: Stormraven Gunship (172), Twin Assault Cannon (35), Twin Heavy Bolter (17), 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher (42), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) <Grey Knights> - [274pts]
Flyer5: Stormraven Gunship (172), Twin Assault Cannon (35), Twin Heavy Bolter (17), 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher (42), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) <Grey Knights> - [274pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: RUSSIA
+ PLAYER 5: ANTON 'STROHKOPF' MOSCOWSKY
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Anton Moscowsky 4287
+ ARMY FACTION: Imperium
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 7
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Astra Militarum, Space Wolves, Adepta Sorroritas
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Battalion Detachment == Imperium - Space Wolves and Catachan Regiment [1625 Points] + 3 CP

HQ1: Commissar Yarrick [130pts]
HQ2: Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken <Catachan> [90pts]

HQ2 DT: Taurox (55), 2 Autocannons (30) <Catachan>[85pts]

Troop1: 38 Conscripts <Catachan> [114pts]
Troop2: 50 Conscripts <Catachan> [150pts]
Troop3: 50 Conscripts <Catachan> [150pts]

Elite1: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]
Elite2: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]
Elite3: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]
Elite4: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]
Elite5: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]
Elite6: 10 Ratlings (50), 10 Sniper Rifles (20) [70pts]

Elite1 DT: Razorback (65), Twin Lascannon (50), Hunter-killer missile (6), Storm Bolter (2) <Space Wolves> [123]
Elite2 DT: Razorback (65), Twin Lascannon (50), Hunter-killer missile (6) <Space Wolves> [121]
Elite3 DT: Razorback (65), Twin Lascannon (50), Hunter-killer missile (6) <Space Wolves> [121]
Elite4 DT: Razorback (65), Twin Lascannon (50), Hunter-killer missile (6) <Space Wolves> [121]

== Vanguard Detachment == Imperium - Adepta Sorroritas and Catachan Regiment [375 Points] + 1 CP

HQ1: Lord Commissar (50), Boltgun (1), Power Sword (4) [55pts] - WARLORD (Inspiring Leader)
HQ2: Celestine (150), 2x Geminae Superia (100) [250pts]

Elite1: Ministorum Priest (35), Boltgun (0) [35pts]
Elite2: Astropath (15), LasPistol (0) [15pts] (Psychic Barrier)
Elite3: Platoon Commander (20), Shotgun (0) <Catachan> [20pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: Russia 
+ PLAYER 6: Arsenii Alter_mann Kasparian
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Arsenii 4290
+ ARMY FACTION: Imperium
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 5 
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1999 pts 
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Dark Angels 
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable 
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== Patrol Detachment == Dark Angels [1059 Points] + 0 CP 

HQ1: 1 Azrael - [180pts] – WARLORD (Tenacious Survivor) +1 CP 

Ellite1: 1 Venerable Drednought (90), Twin lascannon (50), Twin autocannon (33) <Dark Angels> - [173pts]

Troop1: 5-man Scout Squad (55), 5x Sniper Rifle (20) <Dark Angels> - [75pts] 
Troop 1 DT: Razorback (65), Twin lascannon (50), Storm bolter (2) <Dark Angels> [117pts] 

FA1: Ravenwing Darkshroud (128) Heavy bolter (10) - [138pts] 

Flyer1: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 
Flyer2: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 

== Air Wing Detachment == Dark Angels [940 Points] +1 CP 

Flyer3: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 
Flyer4: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 
Flyer5: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 
Flyer6: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 
Flyer7: Ravenwing Dark Talon (180), 2x Hurricane Bolter (8) - [188pts] 

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0 
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: RUSSIA 
+ PLAYER 7: DMITRY "1MPULSE" SOKOLINSKY 
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Dmitry Sokolinsky, 4313 
+ ARMY FACTION: T'au Empire 
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 8 
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1999 pts 
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: T'au Empire 
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Supreme Command Detachment == Tau Empire <Bad Moons> [711 Points] +1 CP 

HQ1: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Drone controller(5) <Bad Moons> - [144Pts] 
HQ2: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Drone controller(5) <Bad Moons> - [144Pts]
HQ3: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Velocity tracker(2) <Bad Moons> - [141Pts] 
HQ4: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Velocity tracker(2) <Bad Moons> - [141Pts] 
HQ5: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Velocity tracker(2) <Bad Moons> - [141Pts] 

== Outrider Detachment == Tau Empire <Bad Moons> [743 Points] +1 CP 

HQ4: Commander(76), 3 Fusion blasters (63), Velocity tracker(2) <Bad Moons> - [141Pts] 
HQ5: Cadre Fireblade (39), Markerlight (3) <Bad Moons> - [42Pts] 

Elite 1: Firesight Marksmen (21), Markerlight (3) <Bad Moons> - [24Pts]

FA1: 12 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [96Pts] 
FA2: 11 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [88Pts] 
FA3: 11 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [88Pts] 
FA4: 11 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [88Pts] 
FA5: 11 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [88Pts] 
FA6: 11 MV1 Gun drones <Bad Moons> - [88Pts] 

== Battalion Detachment == Tau Empire <Bad Moons> [545 Points] +3 CP 

HQ6: Ethreal <Bad Moons> - [45Pts] - Warlord (Inspiring leader) 
HQ7: Commander(76), 4 Fusion blasters (84) <Bad Moons> - [160Pts] 
HQ8: Commander(76), 4 Fusion blasters (84) <Bad Moons> - [160Pts] 

Troop1: 10 Kroot Carnivores [60Pts] 
Troop2: 10 Kroot Carnivores [60Pts] 
Troop3: 10 Kroot Carnivores [60Pts] 

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0 
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE

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+ TEAM: Russia
+ PLAYER 8: Stepan Zotov
+ PLAYER TOURNEYKEEPER PROFILE: Stepan Zotov, 1556
+ ARMY FACTION: Imperium 
+ TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 8
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000 pts
+ ARMY FACTIONS USED: Blood Angels, Inquisition, Officio Assasinorum, Astra Telepathica
+ TOTAL REINFORCEMENT POINTS: Not Applicable
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== Supreme Command Detachment == Blood Angels, Astra Telepathica [400pts] +1 CP
HQ1: Commander Dante [215pts] – WARLORD (Tenacious Survivor)
HQ2: Mephiston, Lord of Death, Blood Boil, Shield of Sanguinius, Unleash Rage [145pts]
HQ3: Primaris Psyker (28), Force Stave (12), Terrifying Visions, Gaze of the Emperor [40pts]

== Vanguard Detachment == Inquisition, Officio Assasinorum, Blood Angels [317pts] +1CP
HQ4: Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor (55), Storm Bolter (2), Psyker, Terrify [57pts] 
Elites1: Culexus Assasin [85pts]
Elites2: Eversor Assasin [70pts]
Elites3: 3 man Company Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (57), 3 Chainswords, 3 Storm Bolter (6) <Blood Angels> [63pts]
Elites4: 2 man Company Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (38), 2 Chainswords, 2 Storm Bolter (4) <Blood Angels> [42pts]

==Batallion Detachment== Blood Angels [1283pts] +3CP
HQ5: Captain with Jump Pack (93), Combi-Melta (19), Thunder Hammer (25) <Blood Angels> [137pts]
HQ6: Primaris Lieutenant (70), Master Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle (4) <Blood Angels> [74pts]

Troops1: 5 man Scout Squad (55), 2 Sniper Rifles (8) <Blood Angels> [63pts] 
Troops2: 5 man Scout Squad (55), 2 Sniper Rifles (8) <Blood Angels> [63pts] 
Troops3: 5 man Scout Squad (55), 1 Sniper Rifle (4) <Blood Angels> [59pts] 

Elites5: 5 man Company Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (95), 4 Chainswords, Storm Shield (5), 5 Storm Bolter (10) <Blood Angels> [110pts] 
Elites6: 5 man Company Veteran Squad with Jump Packs (95), 4 Chainswords, Storm Shield (5), 5 Storm Bolter (10) <Blood Angels> [110pts]

FA1: 5 man Assault Squad with Jump Packs (80), 2 Meltaguns (34), Sergeant: 2 Chainswords, Melta Bomb (5) <Blood Angels> [119pts]
FA2: 5 man Assault Squad with Jump Packs (80), 2 Meltaguns (34), Sergeant: 2 Chainswords, Melta Bomb (5) <Blood Angels> [119pts]

HS1: 5 man Devastator Squad (65), 2 Lascannons (50), Armorium Cherub (5) <Blood Angels> [120pts] in DT1
DT1: Razorback (65), Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter (17) <Blood Angels> [82pts]

HS2: 5 man Devastator Squad (65), 3 Lascannons (75), Armorium Cherub (5) <Blood Angels> [145pts] in DT2
DT2: Razorback (65), Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter (17) <Blood Angels> [82pts]

ARMY REINFORCEMENT POINTS : 0
ARMY REINFORCEMENT FACTION : NONE
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Des tonnes de banshees, des primaris, une liste ba white dwarf (à première lecture...)

Gros contre pieds aux poncifs tout jeunes du moment...

(À noter que certains joueurs ont perfé en solo...)

 

Qu'en pensez vous ?

Modifié le 6 août 2017 par Bubu

[bzh-gratz]

Bien d'accord, la liste BA, la liste Roboute et la fameuse liste banshee qui a tout défoncé (113/120 pts) sont surprenantes. Pour parler de ces listes, chaque joueur ramène au moins la moyenne , soit 60 pts / 120 (le plus petit à 54 celle de Roboute), ça c'est très fort car chez nous on a eu souvent des sacrifiés qui ont pris le 0 pour ouvrir le pairing. Eux ne prennent que 4 bulles sur 6 rondes.

Vivement un débrief de nos frenchies qui ont affronté ces listes pour comprendre les mécaniques.

[Calaad]

En fait, j'ai l'impression que les Russes ont fait exactement ce qu'on attendait des allemands. Des listes (un peu) hors meta faites pour défoncer la meta.

 

Comme Gratz, j'ai hate d'avoir l'analyse des gens qui ont joué contre pour lire ce qu'ils en ont pensé, ce qu'ils n'avaient pas prévus, etc.

[shadow]

La liste roboute est faite pour latter du personnage/psyker, en ce sens un des 20/0 de cette liste contre le tyty suédois est très logique. Autre 20/0 contre la liste orks allemande (20 pts sur le week-end et 0 première déf, youhou, le big loupé allemand!) dont personne ne comprend pourquoi ils ont sorti ça! Cette liste sentait le moisi, c'est confirmé! 20/0 logique et ça n'a pas dû être très long en plus lol.  Après 14 pts sur les 4 autres parties, c'est pas fabuleux mais cette liste a été utile au bon moment.

 

Effectivement, à posteriori, le choix des listes russes était excellent, bravo à eux.

 

L'Aeldari Russe, mystère, je ne comprends toujours pas comment il a pu caler autant de 20-0 vu les listes en face! (les deux DA qu'il a affronté, full Dark talon et full razorback/dévas avec Azraël à chaque fois, y'a dû y avoir du sport! lol) Des grands joueurs d'échecs ces Russes (ou alors l'Aeldari c'est cheaté! lol), ou alors des placements/tactiques très efficaces!

Modifié le 7 août 2017 par shadow

[Kurga]

il y a une heure, shadow a dit :

L'Aeldari Russe, mystère, je ne comprends toujours pas comment il a pu caler autant de 20-0 vu les listes en face! (les deux DA qu'il a affronté, full Dark talon et full razorback/dévas avec Azraël à chaque fois, y'a dû y avoir du sport! lol) Des grands joueurs d'échecs ces Russes (ou alors l'Aeldari c'est cheaté! lol), ou alors des placements/tactiques très efficaces!

Les banshees collent du -1 au cac, avec un drain ça passe à -2. Ça rend le razorwing flock inopérant et c'est bon contre pas mal d'autres trucs qui tapent mal (conscrits, véhicules, horreurs)..

Par contre face au DA, je ne vois pas non plus...Même si sa liste est peu impactée par le malus au tir DA et que le soulburst doit lui permettre des charges et mouvements lointains grâce à la vitesse des banshees pour aller engager ce qu'il veut et rendre inopérant pas mal de trucs au tir.

Mais bon je me pose des questions dessus depuis la publication des listes.

Modifié le 7 août 2017 par Kurga

[salgin]

Il y a forcément un truc car le mec au final, cale 11 Wins sur ses 12 parties ETC/ESC dont 9 (NEUF ?!?) fois un 20-0.

Et pourtant, à la lecture le truc parait bancal/moisi/faible (aucune mention à rayer) avec des DdF à poil et des banshees.

 

Donc ouaip, énorme respect pour la perf et c'est d'autant plus intéressant à décortiquer qu'il doit y avoir moyen dans d'autres dex de faire des trucs qui sortent des sentiers battus et qui meulent tout autant.

 

 

[Skeutch]

Il y a 3 heures, shadow a dit :

L'Aeldari Russe, mystère, je ne comprends toujours pas comment il a pu caler autant de 20-0 vu les listes en face! (les deux DA qu'il a affronté, full Dark talon et full razorback/dévas avec Azraël à chaque fois, y'a dû y avoir du sport! lol) Des grands joueurs d'échecs ces Russes (ou alors l'Aeldari c'est cheaté! lol), ou alors des placements/tactiques très efficaces!

L'équipement -1 quand advance des WS avec des tables surcharger est infâme, pour choper des lignes de vue tu tape du -2 hit sur des WS déjà ultra solide de base et une fois au que les Serpent sont au close c'est terminer. Les Dark Talon c'est pareil - 2 pour hit auto sur tous, quand tu te mets a tirée comme un Ork avec un armée SM t'est dans la merde.

[addnid]

Hah hah les eldars n'auront donc pas mis très longtemps avant de revenir sur le devant de la cheat.

Sinin pas mal d'autrs armées "tiers monde" qu'on avait cru boostées ne sont finalement plus si présentes, il semblerait, des qu'on pousse l'optimisation (le roster russe est éloquent en la matière, point d'ork ni tyty et ainsi de suite, d'ailleurs la liste ork allemande a déçue il semblerait ?)

Finalement la v8, dans le classement des armées, n'aurait fait que remplacer les necrons par l'AM et donner un bon fat boost aux sœurs ? Et propulser les demons au devant de la scène (pour moi ils n'en étaient pas loin en v7...) ?

Ou alors le jeu en équipe ne reflète pas le jeu en indiv, et mes suppositions sont foireuses ?  (ça ne serait pas la première fois :))

[Sedral]

Au noter que la liste eldar n'a que 7 poses: les 3 avions, les 3 serpents et l'autarque, tout le reste rentre dans les serpents. Du coup il a du avoir l'initiative contre tout sauf les stormravens de throst (qui n'avait que la moitié de ses ravens equipés de multi-meltas, et qui s'est justement fait piquer l'init si ma memoire est bonne?). Il a juste à advance avec les serpents pour coller un -1 pour toucher avec tout ce qu'il a de ciblable, un peu dans l'idée du darkshroud DA ou du changelin demon (qu'on retrouvent également dans leur roster). Après, les listes DA qu'il a affrontés jouaient sur le même principe, donc l'alpha strike a pas du être super violent, mais dés le T2 les banshees sont en positions pour engluer un max de trucs sans prendre de tir de contre-charge (jain-zar et/ou pile in sur l'ennemi, sachant que c'est facile de bien les repartir avec 2d6 + 3ps de charge), et les dragons de feu/autarque/archonte/prophète peuvent se joindre a la fête pour melta, smite et buff.

 

Je verrais si j'ai le temps demain de calculer combien il prend/fait de blessures sur/avec ses avions/serpents en moyenne lors du T1 contre chacune des listes qu'il a affrontés, ça devrait aider a cerner le fonctionnement de la liste je pense.

[Kurga]

Une partie de la réponse sur la liste Ynnari banshee se trouve ICI (interview du joueur).

[Starrok]

Hi guys. I'm the russian banshee list player. Honored to see so much interest to my list. I'll gladly answer your questions. Just please ask in english.

[Tir Meneithian]

Privet starrok.

Kak dela?

 

What was the masterplan with the banshees spam? We wandered if your captain gave you fav. match-up. Was it be?

 

Spacibo. Poka!

[wildgripper]

Hi, I'm the reporter guy you helped making fun of Yrian

 

In your last game against Throst from France, he took the first turn, killed 3 vehicles, and then it seemed like he stopped killing anything else. Was that just bad luck or did I miss something? 

 

Thank you so much for posting here by the way, I think you've earnt yourself a few french fans

Modifié le 8 août 2017 par wildgripper

[Isenheim]

il y a 22 minutes, Tir Meneithian a dit :

What was the masterplan with the banshees spam?

 

I haven't see the games. But, It seems that Waves are the key of the list. Wave Serpents can be used like screens and shields for characters. In order to play agressive and let characters go across the board.

It seems to be a Waves-like-flocks strategy. But more resilient with Vector-motors.

 

@Starrok : Did you have played like that ? Or i have forgotten something ?

[Starrok]

 

Tir:

 

Overall, most of the time I played lists that were comfortable for me indeed (those are surprisingly many actually. I only really suffer versus massive armies with 100+ models, since I literally end before I kill them). Thanks to my captain and coach. The only tough game was the last one. Havent yet lost a single Stormraven game, but they have all been very close with me tabling with just a few models left myself.

 

The list builds around the banshees, but there are a lot of other important elements in it, that play in combination with each other. Planes do the antitank damage, claim objectives far away and snipe out too cocky characters. Serpents provide protection to characters, clear screens and lock down shooty units. Can also do some shooty damage. Casters support the rest and smite things up. Warlock for his 37 points also loves to die horribly during disembarkation from one of the failed 12 2+, which results in a banshee charge or a fire dragon barrage at whatever just killed the wave serpent (since after last faq we can no longer soulburst off a dying tank itself). When he doesnt die, he either buffs banshees to hit on a rerollable 2+ together with the autarch, or debuff their enemies not to hit at all. And the autarch himself is a deathbringing machine in himself.

[Starrok]

il y a 28 minutes, wildgripper a dit :

Hi, I'm the reporter guy you helped making fun of Yrian

 

In your last game against Throst from France, he took the first turn, killed 3 vehicles, and then it seemed like he stopped killing anything else. Was that just bad luck or did I miss something? 

 

Thank you so much for posting here by the way, I think you've earnt yourself a few french fans

 

You're welcome! He killed the weakest unbuffed things first, then because of him losing 1 sr and some laser guys plus me going defensive with advancing serpents and fortuned crimson hunter, I got much more durable. Then on my turn 2 all lascannons got locked down with the banshees, and stopped firing forever. After that it was hunting his planes with all the rest I got.

[wildgripper]

Ok, thank you. 

[Tokugawa Shogunate]

J'y vois surtout une grande victoire de la fraîcheur. Quoiqu'on en dise, même en ce début de v8, créer des concepts un poil moqués par le plus grand nombre peut finalement tout retourner. C'est une belle leçon. Et encore une fois, elle nous vient de l'Est. Bravo la Russie.

[shadow]

@Starrok

Congratulations for your victory in the ETC!

I have few questions:

 

 

Il y a 14 heures, Starrok a dit :

 which results in a banshee charge or a fire dragon barrage at whatever just killed the wave serpent (since after last faq we can no longer soulburst off a dying tank itself).

 

 

It seems to me that ETC conventions don't allow it neither? Or for the event the version used was different with that one (?): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzus0DMobfGYRlhzU3p0ZEJDOVE/view

And how do you do with overwatch? A charge of 5 banshees on a razorback with twin assault canons or on a dark talon must kill some banshees... (You can hide banshees behind WS, but not all the time, you can charge with your WS before but I suppose it's not sufficient to block all units in front of you!). OK, Jain zar and his "cry of war unending" makes a 6" bubble that prevents overwatch but you were not packed all the time with her? Maybe your opponents wanted to stay too tight to use characters' auras? And the solution vs your army is, maybe, to spread in the deployment zone even if no longer benefit from the characters' aura?

 

I'm very very curious! lol

 

[Kurga]

@Starrok

You built one of the most interesting eldar list this ETC (with Matthias "quark" Bellmann coming second IMO) and performered very well with it. So, congratulations for your victory and thank you for your insights!

 

[Teh Metil]

Il y a 1 heure, shadow a dit :

It seems to me that ETC conventions don't allow it neither? Or for the event the version used was different with that one (?): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzus0DMobfGYRlhzU3p0ZEJDOVE/view

I believe he refers not to the transport dying but to the Warlock, p183 of rule book, you set up the models embarked from the dying transport, roll a dice for each model on a 1 he is slain -> model is slain within 7" of an Ynnari unit --> Soulburst.

 

Before FAQ you could Soulburst with 2 units (from the transport and then a character dying out of it). 

 

@Starrokcongrats on your win! And really well done with this list, one of the only that actually makes me want to play something out from this ETC!

 

Il y a 2 heures, shadow a dit :

OK, Jain zar and his "cry of war unending" makes a 6" bubble that prevents overwatch but you were not packed all the time with her?

 

Unless I got it wrong, but yes you want to be packed around Jain Zar, or at least your first line of charging unit to tie up in CC then you can charge with more units without suffering OW if you target those already in CC. 

@Starrok I assume you would declare a charge against everything within 12" of your banshees so you can take as much of your opponents' unit in CC, grab them with your pile-in and double strike with Soulburst? 

 

 

Also with the new FAQ, your list won't be Ynnari unless you take the Yncarne or Yvraine or the Visarch - I assume the Autarch would be the one to be swapped for Yvraine?

 

[shadow]

il y a 42 minutes, Teh Metil a dit :

I believe he refers not to the transport dying but to the Warlock, p183 of rule book, you set up the models embarked from the dying transport, roll a dice for each model on a 1 he is slain -> model is slain within 7" of an Ynnari unit --> Soulburst.

 

Before FAQ you could Soulburst with 2 units (from the transport and then a character dying out of it). 

 

 

CORRRREECCCCTTTTT!!! Houaaaaaa

This list is very very thoughful!

 

[Starrok]

Hi shadow! As people pointed out already, I can't proc soulburst off a dying serpent, but when it dies, I roll 12 dice. Usually at least one 1 is present, then it gets allocated to the warlock, and poof -he is dead just as I need him to

 

As for overwatch, Jain zar does the trick. All my banshee units always charge under her cover. Zone of her aura is sufficiently big, since all I need to do is to have 1 model slightly within range. In the rare cases where it's impossible for whatever reason (she's dead or a couple of squads acting independently on other side of the board), I only charge things that cannot hurt me much, or from behind the corner or simply eat up overwatch with wave serpents.

 

Teh metil: You guess absolutely correct. Due to overwatch not being applicable, I always declare everything within 12 a target of the charge so I can engage maximum. 

 

As for the new faq - autarch is a monster in terms of effectiveness. He definitely stays. I don't really need Yvraine in this list - she walks in tandem with shooty infantry units which I dont use - I tend to proc off a dying enemy instead. Rather, in the light of flyers again losing the ability to score objectives, which kills one of their crucial functions, I'm gonna try to squeeze the Yncarne in instead, and probably a 4th serpent as well. Got a Sylvanas Windrunner Yncarne model being painted anyways More symbolism towards the blood elves.

[Starrok]

Thanks to you and all others! Honored to have such attention!

[shadow]

@Starrok

Thank you, it's nice that you answered the questions.Good continuation for 40K ;-) .